Andrew Jackson proved that he isn't just the king of vetoes.
He also commanded enough power to be crowned Jackson Bracket Champion.
Thomas Whitmore was able to handle a Civil War vet, one of our forefathers, and an alien, but Jackson proved to be too difficult of a job for him. Many seemed to believe that this week would be a cakewalk for Jackson after his close Round of 16 match against Dwight D. Eisenhower. Some even seemed to imply that Whitmore got this far with some luck of bracket placement and early upsets.
If only Lone Star and his Schwartz were around to give Whitmore a hand. That would have been an interesting fight.
Jackson moves on to the Rushmore Four and is scheduled to fight again March 19. Join us next week when George Washington takes on Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan.

What if every president in America's rich history squared off in a no-holds-barred tournament of death? What if, in the interests of expanding the field to an easy-to-handle 64, the presidents were joined by a select group of fictional presidents, all vying for the title of Supreme Commander in Chief? This blog attempts to answer those questions with humor, irreverence, and hopefully without major bloodshed between the two authors.
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Friday, February 24, 2012
Monday, February 20, 2012
Jackson vs. Whitmore
Andrew Jackson
7th President of the United States
Served: 1829-1837
Ages during term: 62-70
Arena Experience
1st Round: 86.8% of 38 votes against William Howard Taft
2nd Round: 94.7% of 19 votes against James Dale
3rd Round: 57.5% of 40 votes against Dwight D. Eisenhower
PROS: Jackson comes into the Arena as a veteran of both wars, and assassination attempts. He's the ultimate survivor.
CONS: By the time he gained the presidency, Jackson was somewhat removed from his fighting peak. Could be a problem. Granted, it hasn't been so far, but you never know.
Thomas J. Whitmore
Fictional President of the United States played by Bill Pullman
Served: In the film Independence Day (1996)
Age during term: Pullman was 42 when the movie was released
Arena Experience
1st Round: 64.6% of 113 votes against James Garfield
2nd Round: 69.2% of 26 votes against Thomas Jefferson
Round of 16: 73.9% of 23 votes against Kang from The Simpsons
PROS: Whitmore's a young guy and a fighter pilot flew in Desert Storm. When the aliens came to destroy Earth, instead of hiding in some underground bunker, hoping things would shake out with mankind on top, Whitmore suited up and lead the charge against the aliens. And we won! So he's fearless and he gets the job done.
CONS: Before entering the Arena, we know of one fist fight that Whitmore was involved with. It was with David Levinson (played by Jeff Goldblum), who survived the fight without any visible scars or loss of limbs. Granted, that was outside of the Arena, so he was bound by local statutes banning aggravated assault and the like. Still, the fact that Levinson didn't flinch being in Whitmore's presence means that he didn't get much of a fight.
Pre-game Analysis
Doug: Whitmore has a few things going for him here.
1) Age: He's about a quarter-century younger than Jackson.
2) His chest cavity is not full of bullets that rattle around like a bag of marbles, unlike Jackson
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| We're not saying Jackson was the real-life inspiration for "Operation," but... you never know. |
Tony: True enough, Jackson's age is the real wildcard in the equation that is this fight... or at least, it would be if Jackson wasn't an inhuman rage machine that ran on pure bile. Now, okay, it's possible that Jackson was, in fact, a regular-ish person just like the rest of us, but having looked at Jackson's c.v., I'm, not convinced. I mean, the man survived war, famine, disease, war, poverty, war, duels, war, assassination attempts, war, and being alive in the 1800s.
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| "Suck it, haters." |
The Chief: Well, it's time for the readers to decide! Who will prevail in our first quarterfinal matchup, Andrew Jackson, or Thomas Whitmore? Vote now!
Jackson vs. Whitmore
Friday, January 6, 2012
Go Back to Rigel VII
Thomas J. Whitmore sent that space dirtbag back where he came from.
And judging from this photo we found from Whitmore's seedy past, he clawed his way out of living the life of a space dirtbag. So really, it was like he conquered his past demons or something.
Including Kang in this tournament was a fun little joke for us. While he was elected president under false pretenses which all took place in a single vignette of a non-canon episode that aired over 15 years ago, that was enough to earn a him spot in the Arena. It seemed as though he was unstoppable. This may be hard to believe, but the fact that Kang ended up in the same half of the bracket as alien-killer Thomas J. Whitmore was a complete coincidence. Either way, we're glad these two had an opportunity to meet up.
With DEisenhower34 no longer needing to prepare for future fights, he now has enough free time to return to our commentariat, which is great news for anyone who likes great comments.
Oh, how we'd love to see photos from that summit. It's great to have you back, sir. And thank you for not referencing While You Were Sleeping.
We're scheduled to see Whitmore again Feb. 20 when he faces Andrew Jackson for the Jackson Bracket Championship (which is a fancy way of saying "quarterfinals"). Next week, George Washington will meet Martin Van Buren.
And judging from this photo we found from Whitmore's seedy past, he clawed his way out of living the life of a space dirtbag. So really, it was like he conquered his past demons or something.
| Kang | 6 (26.1%) |
| Thomas J. Whitmore | 17 (73.9%) |
Including Kang in this tournament was a fun little joke for us. While he was elected president under false pretenses which all took place in a single vignette of a non-canon episode that aired over 15 years ago, that was enough to earn a him spot in the Arena. It seemed as though he was unstoppable. This may be hard to believe, but the fact that Kang ended up in the same half of the bracket as alien-killer Thomas J. Whitmore was a complete coincidence. Either way, we're glad these two had an opportunity to meet up.
With DEisenhower34 no longer needing to prepare for future fights, he now has enough free time to return to our commentariat, which is great news for anyone who likes great comments.
Oh, how we'd love to see photos from that summit. It's great to have you back, sir. And thank you for not referencing While You Were Sleeping.
We're scheduled to see Whitmore again Feb. 20 when he faces Andrew Jackson for the Jackson Bracket Championship (which is a fancy way of saying "quarterfinals"). Next week, George Washington will meet Martin Van Buren.
Monday, January 2, 2012
Kang vs. Whitmore
Kang
Elected President of the United States in The Simpsons Treehouse of Horror VII
Voiced by Harry Shearer
Age: Who knows?
Arena Experience: Drew James Buchanan in the first round, and pounded the Earthling into submission with 86.7% of the vote. In the second round, he faced James Monroe, and had a tougher go of it, squeaking by with 55%. On the plus side, that last link goes to one of our better post titles, so.
Pros: Possesses more limbs than the average human, and has long studied the human condition. So that's a physical and a mental advantage, thankyouverymuch.
Cons: Ability to handle Arena conditions has remained an open question (though he's survived two matches thus far). Also, and this cannot be stressed hard enough, was once chased off Earth by a freaking board with a nail in it.
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| To Kang's defense, it was waved menacingly. |
Thomas J. Whitmore
Fictional President of the United States played by Bill Pullman
Served: In the film Independence Day (1996)
Age during term: Pullman was 42 when the movie was released
Arena Experience: Whitmore's 1st Round win against James Garfield drew a record 113 votes, and he emerged with 64.6% of the vote. In the 2nd Round, Whitmore defeated Thomas Jefferson with 69.2% of the vote.
Pros: As if his fighter jet heroics during Operation Desert Storm weren't enough, Whitmore helped save humanity when he led a squadron against an alien invasion. Also, he's a young guy and he seems to be in good shape. He's up for a fight, and he seems like he could do a decent job in one.
Cons: Whitmore was once in a fight with the super nerdy David Levinson (played by Jeff Goldblum). There seemed to be no clear winner in that donnybrook. If Whitmore can't beat Levinson in a fight, what good would he be in an Arena?
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| It's not as if Capt. Steven Hiller had his back. Also, we hesitate to use annoying keyboard shortcuts, but wtf is up with this pose? |
Pre-game Analysis
Doug: Yes, he was involved in a fight with some communications geek and didn't completely obliterate him. It's probably not fair to use to measure Whitmore's fighting abilities. That was some scuffle among acquaintances, not some free-for-all to the death. Outside of the Arena, Whitmore had to worry about consequences of pummeling Levinson. He could have been arrested. It could have ruined his political career. I'm guessing Whitmore held back.
Then there's the fact that his approval rating was in the shitter at the beginning of the movie. Maybe he was a lousy president. Who knows? Whatever the case may be, you can say what you will about him, there's one fact that you can't take away from him:
He kills aliens. In fact, it's the one thing we know he's good at.
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| The movie kind of glosses over the cataclysm caused by having dozens of massive ships like this hit the ground, but that's not important. What's important is that Whitmore kills aliens. |
Normally, this wouldn't be an issue. This time, however, he's getting ready to fight Kang, who has been an unstoppable force. But the freight train that is Kang has just rolled into Whitmore's comfort zone.
Tony: Yeah, but seriously. Whitmore's had trouble with opponents who are smaller and weaker than he is, and now he's going up against someone who is decidedly larger and stronger.
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| According to the Internet, Bill Pullman has two to four inches on Homer Simpson, which still puts Whitmore as a disadvantage against Kang. |
Whatcha gonna do now, Whitmore? Oh, right. Lose.
Because let's look at Kang. He's big, strong, and can grab hold of all Whitmore's limbs and still have limbs left over to tentacle-punch Whitmore in the face. He knows every trick that Earth's puny weaklings can come up with, and he knows how to top them all. Well, maybe not "all," but decidedly "most." The board-nail incident was embarrassing, but neither implement will be around in the Arena. Big advantage: Kang. Really, I think the only regret Kang is going to have after this match is that "Eagle one, Fox two" can't be turned into an easy burn line after Whitmore's death rattle.
Kang vs. Whitmore
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Friday, September 30, 2011
"I Lost," Jefferson Declared Independently
Thomas Jefferson must feel like this...
... because Thomas Whitmore blew it up in the Arena. Like a maniac.
You would think, in another world, these two would have plenty to pal around about. Both Toms have a really strong connection the Fourth of July. They would probably throw the biggest, baddest barbecue in the land.
Sadly, that's not what the Arena is all about.
It's about figuring out which presidents would respond to adversity by using the crane kick and which one would not. Sadly for Jefferson supporters, he is the latter.
Whitmore survives to see 2012 — coincidentally, the title of another Roland Emmerich film — and will face Kang from The Simpsons Jan. 2. Wait — the alien is going up against the alien killer? Great job, HttCttD voters!
Join us next week when George Washington faces Grover Cleveland (the elder).
... because Thomas Whitmore blew it up in the Arena. Like a maniac.
Whitmore vs. Jefferson
| Thomas J. Whitmore | 18 (69.2%) |
| Thomas Jefferson | 8 (30.8%) |
You would think, in another world, these two would have plenty to pal around about. Both Toms have a really strong connection the Fourth of July. They would probably throw the biggest, baddest barbecue in the land.
Sadly, that's not what the Arena is all about.
It's about figuring out which presidents would respond to adversity by using the crane kick and which one would not. Sadly for Jefferson supporters, he is the latter.
Whitmore survives to see 2012 — coincidentally, the title of another Roland Emmerich film — and will face Kang from The Simpsons Jan. 2. Wait — the alien is going up against the alien killer? Great job, HttCttD voters!
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| Seriously. (Click for actual GIF-ness.) |
Monday, September 26, 2011
Whitmore vs. Jefferson
Thomas J. Whitmore
Fictional President of the United States played by Bill Pullman
Served: In the film Independence Day (1996)
Age during term: Pullman was 42 when the movie was released
Arena Experience — Whitmore beat James A. Garfield with 64.6% of the vote in his 1st Round appearance. While that percentage may not seem all that impressive, it should be noted that we had an all-time record number of voters that week. And given that a lot of the new voters were brought in from an unbiased source — as opposed to other weeks with abnormally high voting — we could assume that the sample size was large enough to paint a more accurate picture.
PROS: Whitmore's a young guy — possibly entered office in his 30s — who is also a twice-over war hero. He fought in the Persian Gulf War, and he led a squadron fighting off the massive alien invasion in which millions upon millions of people died. Yes, as president. So, he's ready for a fight when needed.
CONS: His pre-Arena fighting experience is less-than stellar and includes a fist fight with uber-nerd David Levinson, who survived without any permanent injuries. Also, Whitmore has a hard time commanding respect; or at least he did before he helped beat the aliens.
Thomas Jefferson
3rd President of the United States
Served: 1801-09
Ages Served: 57-65
Arena Experience — In a light-voting week, Jefferson gained about 61% of the vote against the fictional Mackenzie Allen from the show Commander In Chief. Rowing enthusiasts everywhere wept at the result.
PROS: As President, Jefferson is something of a loose cannon, as evidenced by his handling of the whole Louisiana Purchase situation, and the subsequent taxation of the United States' newest (un-represented) citizens.
CONS: Jefferson's fighting ability (outside of the arena) is about nil. He was an amazing writer, a passionate lover, but a fighter? Not so much.
The Fight
Tony: You know, on paper, this may not seem like anything of a match. On the one hand, you have Whitmore: destroyer of aliens. On the other, Thomas Jefferson, all-around smarty pants. Brains vs. brawn, only in a format that only rewards the abilities of brawn. Case closed, right? Wrong!
First, let's call Jefferson what he is: a nerd. Yes, the third president of the United States was a big ol' nerd, a nerdy mcNerditroid to the max, as it were. What's Whitmore's track record with nerds? Oh, that's right-- they punch him out. Jefferson and Whitmore are going to get into the arena. Whitmore's gonna think he has easy pickings. Then Jefferson is going to deliver a wicked one-liner, probably in French, and Whitmore will be studying his own ass, having received it from Jefferson just moments before.
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| "Aww, crap. Give me a minute and let me Force Quit." |
Tony: Well, see, that's just what Whitmore wants you to think. He's a macho fighter pilot! He's not going to want to admit he got slapped around by the Fly! So he downgrades the whole experience to "oh, we just traded punches and then it got broken up." Pride = saved. And since he didn't face another nerd in round one, he was home free!
Doug: Oh, I see. You're saying Levinson mopped the floor with Whitmore, and now Whitmore is downplaying the fight as an elaborate cover-up. Quite the controversy EXCEPT we've never heard Whitmore even mentioning the fight. Levinson was the one downplaying the severity of the fight. If Whitmore is trying to keep the fight secret, it's because he doesn't want word getting out that he's a nerd-beater. Nerds have a pretty high voter turnout rate, and it would be political suicide to run on the "I fight nerds" platform.
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| And not everyone will understand their protest signs. |
Tony: I can't really get in Levinson's head about the whole fight fiasco. I mean, all I know about that guy is that he's handy with an old school MacBook, and that he thinks you must go faster. Oh, and he thought he was part of something special. But I digress.
It's true that Whitmore beat Garfield like a drum. However, I would like to posit the following: for every Achillies, there is a heel. For every Superman, there is a kryptonite. For every well-placed hunter trap, there is a stealthed rogue. What I'm driving at is that everyone has a weakness. Whitmore's weakness could very well be nerds, and that's not going to go well for him.
Doug: Okay, I suppose there is a possibility that Whitmore's weakness is nerds. But there's no real proof this is true and since we're pulling something out of thin air, I'm going to go ahead and posit that Jefferson's weakness (aside from the complete lack of fighting of experience, which history has already proven) could be widowers.
Ehh, it kind of makes sense. Jefferson's a widower, so he's knows what Whitmore is going through, so he holds back. I don't know. It makes more sense than "Fighter pilot can't beat up nerds."
As for the Cracked article, this proves nothing. Whitmore wasn't worried about re-election, he was worried about getting rid of the aliens. If he didn't get rid of the aliens, there wasn't going to be another election. He did what he could to win this war with the aliens. The only people he killed by nuking Houston were the ones who stayed in one of the nation's remaining populated cities — despite what was happening to other major metropolitan areas around the world — who were about to get vaporized anyway. So this only proves that Whitmore will do whatever he can to win.
Jefferson is Houston. And he has a problem. And I'm not talking about the abysmal Astros.
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| HEY-O! They were terrible this year. And I'm a Met fan, so I know terrible baseball. |
The Chief: You realize the original quote was "Houston, we've had a problem," and not "Houston, we have a problem," right?
Ugh. Damn pop culture-obsessed jerks don't even know the real quote. They just go with what was in the movie. Lousy kids — Anyway, polls close Friday at 9am, MDT.
Whitmore vs. Jefferson
Friday, March 11, 2011
He Did Not Go Quietly Into the Night
He's going to live on. He's going to survive. Today, Thomas J. Whitmore celebrates his Independence Day!
And if this photo is any indication, he looks cool doing it.
James A. Garfield's experience this week was much like Matthew "Mack" Robinson's at the 1936 Olympics. Mack, the brother of some guy named Jackie Robinson, ran the 200m finals in 21.1 seconds, which was a world record. Sadly, he finished second behind some guy named Jessie Owens, who ran it in 20.7 seconds. Similarly, Garfield gathered more votes than any other combatant in HttCttD history, except while he was doing it, he was getting clobbered. By Thomas Whitmore.
Yes folks, we've had a hell of a voter turnout this week. In fact, since we love charts so much, we have something to show you that's quite chart-astic.
This week, we were 20 votes shy of tying our combined total of votes for the first six weeks and we have a couple of sports blogs from the Midwest for shoutouts to thank for the sudden spike in hits and voters. We welcome our new readers and hope you stick around for more presidential fisticuffs action.
It's also a possibility that Whitmore's — and Independence Day's — popularity brought some voters in as well; even if Bill Pullman isn't the most recognizable face in Hollywood, as Steve L. points out.
It's true. And we'll never know how many votes Garfield got because they thought he mistreated his younger brother, Wyatt.
The Bill Pullman/Paxton confusion actually reminded me of a funny sketch from Important Things with Demetri Martin, which is sadly unavailable on YouTube or Comedy Central's website.
The guy getting flogged has some trouble remembering the safe word. "He was in that movie and he was president! You know, the actor. Bill! Bill Paxton!"
It's a shame Paxton never played a president. We'll never know who would win in a fight: Pullman or Paxton.
Whitmore is scheduled to fight in the 2nd Round Sept. 26. Next week, Thomas Jefferson takes on Mackenzie Allen from Commander in Chief.
And if this photo is any indication, he looks cool doing it.Whitmore vs. Garfield
| Thomas J. Whitmore | 73 (64.6%) |
| James A. Garfield | 40 (35.4%) |
James A. Garfield's experience this week was much like Matthew "Mack" Robinson's at the 1936 Olympics. Mack, the brother of some guy named Jackie Robinson, ran the 200m finals in 21.1 seconds, which was a world record. Sadly, he finished second behind some guy named Jessie Owens, who ran it in 20.7 seconds. Similarly, Garfield gathered more votes than any other combatant in HttCttD history, except while he was doing it, he was getting clobbered. By Thomas Whitmore.
Yes folks, we've had a hell of a voter turnout this week. In fact, since we love charts so much, we have something to show you that's quite chart-astic.
Voter Turnout
| Weeks 1-6 | 133 |
| Week 7 | 113 |
This week, we were 20 votes shy of tying our combined total of votes for the first six weeks and we have a couple of sports blogs from the Midwest for shoutouts to thank for the sudden spike in hits and voters. We welcome our new readers and hope you stick around for more presidential fisticuffs action.
It's also a possibility that Whitmore's — and Independence Day's — popularity brought some voters in as well; even if Bill Pullman isn't the most recognizable face in Hollywood, as Steve L. points out.
It's true. And we'll never know how many votes Garfield got because they thought he mistreated his younger brother, Wyatt.
The guy getting flogged has some trouble remembering the safe word. "He was in that movie and he was president! You know, the actor. Bill! Bill Paxton!"It's a shame Paxton never played a president. We'll never know who would win in a fight: Pullman or Paxton.
Whitmore is scheduled to fight in the 2nd Round Sept. 26. Next week, Thomas Jefferson takes on Mackenzie Allen from Commander in Chief.
Monday, March 7, 2011
Whitmore vs. Garfield

Thomas J. Whitmore
Fictional President of the United States played by Bill Pullman
Served: In the film Independence Day (1996)
Age during term: Pullman was 42 when the movie was released
PROS: Youth — We don't know how old Whitmore is. As stated, he's portrayed by Bill Pullman who was 42 during the summer of '96. It's safe to assume the movie was filmed up to a year before its release. We also get the feeling that Whitmore is at least a year into his term. This easily puts Whitmore in the "younger than Teddy Roosevelt" category when he took office. Possibly even in his 30s.
He's young and vibrant and ready to kick butt. Speaking of which...
He went into battle... AS PRESIDENT — It was established that Whitmore served as a fighter pilot in Desert Storm. He was elected president very shortly after. While he was in office, aliens came and killed people by the millions. After two days of destruction, a plan was formulated as a last ditch effort to destroy the alien crafts.
After giving a stirring speech to rally the troops, he suits up and gets in a jet to fight some aliens himself.
Not just as some support guy in the rear of the pack. No. He leads the friggin' squadron. He's the one that fires that first missile that gets past the alien craft's shield and the first one to shoot down an alien fighter. Pilots flying right next to him are getting shot out of the sky, but he keeps going. He even "plows the road" for the drunken pilot who ends up destroying the humungous craft.
Is this horribly reckless behavior? By this point, it had been mentioned that the vice president had been killed when NORAD was destroyed. Who knows who else is left? If the president died, there would no government left. Or worse, there would be a handful of senators who believe they're the next president, probably splitting the union. But really, at that point, if the president and this mission failed, there would probably be no union left to fight over anyway.
Whitmore knows this. When there's no other option, Whitmore goes all in.
CONS: He once fought David Levinson (played by Jeff Goldblum).
This happened years before the movie takes place, but we hear about it during the Oval Office scene. Normally, having previous fight experience would be a plus, but I don't know about this case. Levinson's a supernerd. No way he knows how to fight someone.
Granted, Levinson had the element of surprise (he threw the first punch), he had motive (he suspected his wife was cheating on him with Whitmore) and he has reach (the Internet tells me that Goldblum is 6'4" to Pullman's 6'1").
Still, years later, when the movie takes place, Levinson has no visible scars, no pronounced limp and all limbs are accounted for. Perhaps Whitmore was holding back. It's not like he was in the Presidential Gladiatorial Arena™.
He seems to get very little respect — When the movie opens, it's apparent that Whitmore is suffering some PR problems. He's seen as too young. His approval ratings are below 40%. And every time they cut to The McLaughlin Group on the TV, someone on the panel is taking a dump on his presidency.
He doesn't even get proper respect from his own military.
Actually Capt. Hiller, "shaking hands with Thomas J. Whitmore" sounds like a fun sex act,you're supposed to salute your Commander-in-Chief.
Why doesn't Whitmore get any respect? Maybe it's his age. Maybe he tries to please everyone politically, which is seen as pandering or flip-flopping. Or maybe it's because he reads USA Today.
Even worse, judging by the weather map on the back of her paper, his communications director seems to read months-old copies of USA Today.
Why no respect? Maybe McLaughlin Group panelist Eleanor Clift thinks he's a wimp.
James A. Garfield
20th President of the United States
Served: March 4, 1881 - September 19, 1881
Age during term: 49
PROS: Military badass — Garfield's military career got off to kind of a slow start, as the Union army kind of dragged its feet in granting him an officer's commission. After having been granted the rank of colonel, Garfield was put in charge of a number of units, and ordered to drive the Confederates out of eastern Kentucky. He very much succeeded, leading to a promotion and greater duties in the field. Unfortunately, this also led to a period where the Army stopped listening to him, first when it came to taking the war directly to the southern population, and later when it came to his recommendation to replace a pair of ineffective commanders. The latter recommendation led to a Union defeat at the Battle of Chickamagua, while the former strategy was implemented much later. This was basically the pattern that marked his Army career — recommend something, get overruled, then get exonerated later. If people had only listened to him the first time, there would probably be statues of him all over the country now.
Debate specialist — In 1858, Garfield, who had briefly worked as a preacher in his home state of Ohio, was challenged to a debate by a traveling whippersnapper. This whole setup is definitely weird — was that a thing that happened back then? Itinerant dudes just roaming the country, challenging people to debates? Well, anyway, Garfield accepted. The resulting debate lasted a full week, and was won, hands-down, by the future president. Now, granted, Garfield had something of a hometown advantage, but... still. How would this translate in the arena? Well, it shows a fair amount of persistence and resiliency, both traits that would serve him well in a fight.
CONS: Somewhat short-lived as a president — Garfield was fatally shot by assassin Charles Guiteau on July 2, 1881. He lingered for a while before finally succumbing on September 19. For those of you keeping score at home, that's a six month presidency, with the latter two months spent dying due to a combination of being shot, and piss-poor medical care (doctors attempting to remove the bullets in Garfield both stuck unsterilized fingers into his wounds, and wound up puncturing one of his kidneys). We know medical standards were different back then, but... damn.
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| "Hi, President Garfield!" |
Side note: Much of Garfield's agenda was eventually carried out by his successor, Chester A. Arthur. So, it was kind of a Garfield-minus-Garfield situation.
General ill-health — Getting shot a point blank range wasn't Garfield's first serious health issue, either. During his Civil War service, Garfield was forced back home in 1862 when his health suddenly went south. Not only did he recover, but Wikipedia slyly notes that his marriage was "reinvigorated" during this time. We can only conclude that he was boned back to health.
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| There's a reason this is a trope, is what we're saying. |
Point is, dude probably was not in the best shape for someone hoping to win a fight to the death.
Doug: James Garfield boned his way to health? Perhaps Whitmore should have tried that on his wife after she was rescued from the downed helicopter. Maybe she would have lived.
Say, that reminds me of a joke. A nurse is giving a woman in a coma a sponge bath. When she gets around the patient's "bathing suit area," the nurse notices there's a blip in the heart monitor. She tells the doctor, and the doctor brings the husband in and tells him, "Hey, this is a long shot, but oral sex might bring your wife out of her coma." Husband dutifully goes into his wife's room while the doctor and nurse watch the monitor in the other room. He's in the room for a few minutes and the wife flat lines. Doctor goes in to see what's going on and sees the husband pulling up his pants, who says, "I think I suffocated her."
Where was I? Oh yeah. I'm impressed that Garfield defeated the traveling debater, as well as I am baffled that traveling debaters existed. However, if this were public speaking contest, I still wouldn't put my money on Garfield over Thomas "Today we celebrate our Independence Day" Whitmore.
Tony: Really? In a public speaking contest, you'd back someone who gave one decent speech, versus one of the most gifted orators of his time? A man who, when he served in Congress, could get everyone to shut up just by opening his mouth? A man who gave an extemporaneous speech on Wall Street on the day of a financial panic and calmed everyone the hell down? Really?
Doug: Well, none of this matters, because it's not a debate, it's a fight to the finish. That means Garfield has to somehow get past Thomas "Oh me? Yeah, I was in a dogfight against aliens" Whitmore.
It should be noted that neither of those things are actually Whitmore's middle name. His initial is J, but we never learn what it stands for. My money is on James as in Thomas "James Garfield better watch his ass" Whitmore.
Tony: Actually, I think the J stands for "Just don't punch me in the face." He probably had it changed after his fight with Goldblum's character.
Here's what I'm going to say about Whitmore: sometimes, people have moments where they overcome their normal limitations and do something extraordinary. But outside of those moments? These people are weak, ineffectual, losers. Facing off against an alien horde in your F-16? I'd say that qualifies. as an extraordinary moment. But that's all he's got. And that means that when he's locked in the Presidential Gladiatorial Arena™ with a seasoned war veteran, he's toast.
Here's what I'm going to say about Whitmore: sometimes, people have moments where they overcome their normal limitations and do something extraordinary. But outside of those moments? These people are weak, ineffectual, losers. Facing off against an alien horde in your F-16? I'd say that qualifies. as an extraordinary moment. But that's all he's got. And that means that when he's locked in the Presidential Gladiatorial Arena™ with a seasoned war veteran, he's toast.
Tony: Yeah, or he could have been a popular military figure who ran in an otherwise weak field of presidential candidates. Either way, I'm thinking that if he was such a brilliant orator, he'd be able to get shit from Congress without commentators resorting to Dickensian references to describe him.
Doug: Back to the fight with Goldblum's character, and my bet that he was holding himself back. The way he tells it, he punched Whitmore first. They traded hits and it was over. What does Goldblum's character have to lose here? He's a satellite expert for a cable company who thinks his wife is cheating.
What does Whitmore have to lose? Everything. His future's so bright, he's got to wear his sunglasses at night... wait, I may be mixing up my '80s songs here. Does Whitmore mop the floor with his nerdy ass only to have that haunt him in the future, or does he not destroy his career and make it look like a fair fight?
Whitmore chooses the latter, stays on track to the White House and personally helps wipe out an invading civilization.
Tony: Holding back? I'm sorry — holding back? Whitmore's a FIGHTER PILOT. Jeff Goldblum's character is a NERD. By the natural law of fighter pilots vs. nerds, the only way Whitmore should've lost this fight is if he was actually in a coma when it broke out. Yet, somehow he was both conscious, and on the losing side of that battle. Why, because he was afraid of his reputation? Please. Garfield didn't care about his reputation. He knew the South needed a good ass-kicking, and he delivered. The fact that Whitmore couldn't bodes incredibly poorly.
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Whitmore vs. Garfield
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