Showing posts with label Lyndon B. Johnson. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Lyndon B. Johnson. Show all posts

Friday, November 25, 2011

"In Case You Were Wondering, 'Boy, the Great Society, I Don't Know,' Is When I Decided to Kick Your Ass"

Jed Bartlet wasn't born wanting to do this.
But, you know, sometimes you find yourself in an Arena, forced to fight other presidents to the death. Bartlet did what he had to do; he got rid of LBJ.
Bartlet vs. Johnson
Josiah "Jed" Bartlet      81 (81.0%)
Lyndon B. Johnson 19 (19.0%)
Once again, Bartlet supporters came out in support of the West Wing president. Most of those votes showed up on Monday, and after the initial surge, votes for LBJ came in at a nearly 1:1 ratio to the Bartlet votes. Unfortunately, for LBJ, Bartlet was up 60 votes by then. To top it off, we happened to get an even 100 votes this week, which made figuring out the percentages pretty easy.

While the votes were overwhelmingly in favor for Bartlet, the commentariat was split down the middle.
And we have to say that the pro-LBJ comment had a bit more... we hesitate to use the word "flavor," but something like that. There was also a slight concern that if Miss Litella's comment wasn't chosen this week, she'd just call us a bitch under her breath.

Bartlet is scheduled to return to the Arena Jan. 30 when he takes on Franklin Pierce in the Round of 16. Be sure to check in with us next week when Theodore Roosevelt meets Chris Rock's Mays Gilliam from Head of State.

Monday, November 21, 2011

Bartlet vs. Johnson


Josiah "Jed" Bartlet
Portrayed by Martin Sheen in The West Wing
Age: Sheen was 58 when the show premiered, and 66 when the show, along with his fictional presidency, concluded.

Arena Experience: Bartlet met John Tyler in the first round, and the results? Weren't pretty. Bartlet steamrolled his way into Round 2, picking up 88.7% of the vote.

PROS: Bartlet has a Nobel Prize (for Economics!) on his résumé, which isn't too shabby. And he probably knows more about the Bible than any five evangelicals combined. And while we're usually loathe to go meta around here, Bartlet has quite the following on Twitter, and when he's involved in online polls, those guys tend to show up in droves.

CONS: Bartlet is often accused (and rightly so) of being too arrogant for his own shoes, and getting overconfident in the Arena is usually bad times. ALSO, there's the little thing that Bartlet has MS, which he hid from the public, and even his own staff, when he first ran for president. So depending on when Bartlet gets dumped into the Arena, he might be unable to move, or he would only be able to walk using braces and crutches. Could be a problem.

Lyndon B. Johnson
36th President of the United States
Served: 1963-1969
Ages during term: 55-60

Arena Experience: LBJ met Chester A. Arthur in the 1st Round and gave him a sound beating, winning with 80.6% of the vote.

PROS: If someone disagreed with Johnson, they got "The Treatment." It's when he literally got into someone's face spouting accusations, cajolery and mimicry until his opponents were stunned into submission. He used this technique to push through the Civil Rights Act of 1964. He wasn't all talk, either. He "stared down" the Soviet Union during the Six Day War and ramped up our military involvement in the Vietnam War.

CONS: LBJ's heart wasn't really in the best condition. He had suffered a heart attack while he was in the Senate. Though he gave up smoking in an effort to improve his health, he did have to worry about heart disease. His military record was also... interesting, to say the least. He was awarded a Silver Star, despite the fact that he never saw combat. There was one instance where he said he came under enemy fire, but everyone else on the plane he was on said they turned around due to mechanical problems. Fishy.

The Fight
Doug: I have a feeling that this vote isn't going to come down to who is the ornery, intimidating Southerner with a further reach and who sometimes suffers bouts of temporary paralysis. It's going to come down to who was in the popular television show and who was not.

If only LBJ got himself a Rachel hairdo. If only he was the one who shot C. Montgomery Burns. If only he ended one of his presidential addresses with the catchphrase "DYN-O-MITE," then maybe, the angry guy who escalated the Vietnam War and stood at 6'4" would have a chance against the 5'7" bookworm.
If he were a teenage president and not a teenage doctor,
he could have easily cleaned up.

Granted, Bartlet once earned the Nobel Prize for Fistfighting, so that gives him a strong advant -- I'm sorry, I read that wrong. He has the Nobel Prize for Economics.

Never mind.

Tony: Thing is, it's not like Bartlet hasn't waded through the remains of opponent after opponent. Every time someone steps to him, they're smacked down. Yeah, I'm being metaphorical, as Bartlet didn't physically defeat his Republican opponents in the 1998 and 2002 elections, but still, he's not afraid to bring the heat when it's necessary. Just ask the Qumari Defense Minister.

Johnson may have been intimidating in person, but that'll only get you so far. For example, he couldn't intimidate the country into thinking the Vietnam war was still a good idea in 1968. And since he couldn't do that, he quit. He's a quitter.

Bartlet's not the type of guy who would give in to a bully. Johnson's going to bluster his away around the Arena, turn around, and realize he's not making any headway. Then, he's going to pout his way into a second round loss.

Doug: It's not like the Vietnam War was the first thing he tried to push for and it failed so he gave up. He didn't give up on the idea that maybe blacks and whites should be able to use the same water fountains and attend the same public schools. Sadly, for our disgustingly ugly history, that was a much tougher fight than it should have been. It was risky, too. He knew that when he signed it, he was losing the South. He did it anyway, and he easily took the Election of 1964.
He didn't really need the South, anyway.

I'm not questioning Bartlet's tenacity. Clearly, he has plenty of it. And he may not crumble to LBJ's bullying as easily as LBJ is used to. Truth is, anyone who would make it a habit to bully someone into seeing things his way has got to be a mean old bastard. So when the normal stuff doesn't work, LBJ is going to pick Bartlet up by the ears like he was one of his beagles.
It almost looks like he's going to make Him dance.

Tony: Oh, he won't do anything of the sort. We already know what happens when LBJ can't bully his way into something; he goes into Sulk Central. And the pool of people unable to be bullied by LBJ is surprisingly large, as this is a guy who couldn't talk himself past a group of peeved housewives! Okay, granted what I'm talking about comes from The Right Stuff, which means it was when he was Vice President, and granted, The Right Stuff wasn't exactly a documentary, but it was based on real events, so I'm pretty sure it's legit. Okay, it was based on a book that was based on real events. WHATEVER.

Meanwhile, Bartlet is just waiting to pounce on some overconfident Texan. He's never seen an opponent he doesn't know how to handle (I could watch that clip of him taking down the puissant Dr. Laura stand in on a loop for a full week), and LBJ is going to find that out the hard way.

Doug: Yes, but this isn't a contest to see who can talk their way past a group of housewives or a fake Dr. Laura. We're trying to see who could pummel the other person into oblivion. While both guys have enough fire in them to get pumped up for a good fight, only LBJ has the physical might to back it up.

Despite his character's portrayal in the thing based on the thing based on real events, we're going to see that LBJ does, in fact, have the right stuff. (I'd link to the NKOTB video, but no one wants that.)

Tony: Ah, but the Arena isn't simply a matter of physical prowess. You need to be smart in able to concoct a winning strategy, and to react to overcome any obstacles that get thrown in your way. You've got to have the resolve to plow through adversity. And, most importantly, you've got to have… Faith.

Ha! No, just kidding. You have to have the power to motivate your voting base. And Bartlet?


Yeah, he's got that.

The Chief: Indeed. The polls are now open! They will close Friday morning at 9am, Mountain time. Between now and then, you should vote, and then explain why you voted for your combatant of choice via a comment. We'll be back on Wednesday with more general tomfoolery.

Bartlet vs. Johnson

Friday, July 8, 2011

LBJ took the IRT Down to Wail-on-Arthur St., USA

Hey! Hey! LBJ!
How many presidents did you beat today?
In the fight between two former vice presidents of assassinated presidents, Johnson ended up on top.


Johnson vs. Arthur

Lyndon B. Johnson     25 (80.6%)
Chester A. Arthur   6 (19.4%) 

We didn't get a major rush of votes this week like we did last week. We would think that the same people who dropped by to give Bartlet an easy win last week would come in this week to give Arthur the win, making sure Bartlet had an easier win for the 2nd Round. Maybe the Bartletbaggers are just that comfortable with the idea of taking on LBJ.
Oh Timbo, you flatterer. We hope you're not just trying to get into our COTW. Clearly, it worked. Mostly because such words caused Tony's head to swell so much, we had to call the fire department to knock down one of the walls of the HttCttD office so that they could get a crane to left Tony's ego out of the building.

As mentioned earlier, Johnson will meet Josiah "Jed" Bartlet Nov. 21. This concludes the 1st Round of the Marshall Bracket. Next week, Theodore Roosevelt will meet with Baxter Harris from the movies Scary Movie 3 and Scary Movie 4.

Monday, July 4, 2011

Johnson vs. Arthur


Lyndon Baines Johnson
36th President of the United States
Served: 1963-1969
Ages during term: 55-60

PROS: The Intimidator — LBJ was elected to Congress in 1937. He served in the House for a little more than a decade, then moved onto the Senate, where he served for another decade, eventually rising to the post of Senate Majority Leader. He was, perhaps, the greatest Majority Leader the Senate has ever seen. He knew where every single Senator (not just his fellow Democrats, mind) stood on all of the major issues that the Senate discussed, and he knew exactly what it would take to bend them to his will. The key to his persuasive tactics was something called "The Treatment." The Treatment was described by reporters thusly:
Its tone could be supplication, accusation, cajolery, exuberance, scorn, tears, complaint and the hint of threat. It was all of these together. It ran the gamut of human emotions. Its velocity was breathtaking, and it was all in one direction. Interjections from the target were rare. Johnson anticipated them before they could be spoken. He moved in close, his face a scant millimeter from his target, his eyes widening and narrowing, his eyebrows rising and falling. From his pockets poured clippings, memos, statistics. Mimicry, humor, and the genius of analogy made The Treatment an almost hypnotic experience and rendered the target stunned and helpless.
The Treatment in action.
Johnson was able to keep his thrall over the Senate when he moved onto the Executive branch as John F. Kennedy's Vice President, and still after JFK was assassinated. And it was a good thing, too — the linchpin of JFK's domestic policy was a little thing called the Civil Rights Act. Once LBJ became president, he was able to use his own personal swagger to force the Civil Rights Act through Congress, even though he recognized the legislation would be poisonous to the Democratic Party's efforts in the southern United States.

In short, LBJ isn't going to be intimidated by anyone. He's going to do the intimidating, thankyouverymuch. And good luck beating someone in the Presidential Gladiatorial Arena™ when you're already intimidated by him.

Oh, and he didn't just talk the talk — In case you were worried that Johnson wasn't tough enough, his foreign policy? Was incredibly hawkish. Let's talk examples, shall we?

In 1967, a number of Arab states banded together in attempt to destroy Israel. This led to a little brush fire that would come to be known as the Six Day War, which, spoiler alert, Israel won. Now, you look at something called the "Six Day War," and you might think, "well, that doesn't seem so bad." But, it actually almost caused WWIII.
So, yeah. Bad.
See, Israel, of course, was staunchly backed by the United States. The Arab countries? Backed by a certain superpower known as the USSR. Worried that the conflict would turn into a proxy war (or worse), the U.S. redirected a carrier group into the Mediterranean to support Israel. Upon learning of this, the Soviets freaked the fuck out, and ordered their own navy into the area. In a hotline message from Soviet Premier Alexei Kosygin to Johnson, Kosygin said "If you want war, you're going to get war." Johnson stuck to his guns (well, to his carrier group), and the situation eventually defused. It wasn't quite the Cuban Missile Crisis, but according to then-Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, "We damn near had war." Johnson never flinched.

Then, there was the whole Vietnam War thing. When Johnson came into the White House, the conflict was relatively small in scale, with the United States having only 16,000 military "advisers" in Vietnam. However, Johnson firmly believed in the Domino Theory of foreign policy (which said that the United States needed to work to contain the spread of Communism, otherwise countries would fall like dominoes). So, according to Johnson, since Communists were trying to take over Vietnam, by God, the United States needed to draw the line there. Johnson proceeded to blow the Vietnam War up, changing the U.S. military's role from "advisory" to "directly fighting the Viet Cong." By 1968, more than 500,000 troops were involved. So, yeah, Johnson was absolutely not going to back down from a fight.

CONS: Defective ticker — You know how they have that saying, "everything's bigger in Texas"? Well, Johnson was nothing if not thoroughly Texan. He lived hard, enjoying his smoking, drinking, and a diet that, just maybe, was a little high on the saturated fats. Given all of these facts, you might be thinking "I wonder how healthy his heart was." Well, surprise! Johnson suffered his first heart attack in 1955, and would be plagued by heart disease for the rest of his life.

Now, it's true that Johnson did put some effort into keeping things together following said heart attack. He gave up smoking, for one. And it's true that after his presidency, Johnson pretty much let his health go straight to hell, which led to two more heart attacks, the second of which killed him in 1973. But clearly, Johnson was not the pinnacle of health during his time in office. Fortunately, it's not like he has to deal with anything like a fight to the death. Oh...

Sketchy military record — We'll give Johnson this much—when the United States entered WWII in 1941, Johnson pulled off a maneuver that hadn't been seen much since the Civil War: he entered the military while also serving in Congress. Hell, he actually pulled a reverse maneuver from those days; if you read the biographies of the Civil War-serving presidents, you'll find a lot of them used Congress to get out of serving in the Army. Johnson, on the other hand, jumped at the chance to enlist in the U.S. Navy. He asked for a combat assignment, but was turned down.
Who could say no to that, is what we're asking.
Instead, President Roosevelt decided he could use Johnson as a liaison who could report back on the conditions America's forces were facing in the Pacific theater. Johnson and a pair of Army officers were assigned to a bombing group, and there things get... hazy. The group was ordered on a high-risk mission, bombing a Japanese air base in New Guinea. Johnson did get a little lucky, it seems, as the plane on which he was initially seated was shot down during the mission, with no survivors. The plane he did fly on, however, eventually turned back. According to Johnson, they turned back because they came under fire. According to everyone else, the plane had mechanical problems and turned back without reaching the enemy. When all the dust settled, Johnson ended up being awarded the Silver Star, the third-highest commendation handed out by the military. Johnson, by the by, was the only one on the mission so honored. That's... um... fishy.

To be fair, Johnson did ask for actual combat duty, but was never put in harm's way. And also, his duties as an inspector did lead to improvements in efficiency and general quality-of-life for American forces in the Pacific. However, a Silver Star? Really? He doesn't have the best military record, is what we're saying.

Chester A. Arthur
21st President of the United States
Served: 1881-1885
Ages during term: 51-55

PROS: Surprising — Arthur had a pretty sweet job in the 1870s. He was appointed to be the Collector of the Port of New York. It was a lucrative job, and one that was only given to the politically connected. Though Arthur ran things legally, which was a welcomed change for that post — a lot of his predecessors were corrupt — he still had the place overstaffed, to make sure that enough of his buddies and political allies had cushy jobs. This spoils system has been in place for decades in New York, and some wanted to get rid of it.
I can't really figure out why.

The issue actually split the Republicans, and it led to a deadlocked party when it came time to nominate someone for the 1880 election. It was between Stalwart (pro-spoils) Ulysses S. Grant and Half-Breed James Blaine. The party, instead went with James A. Garfield, who was somewhere in the middle, and moderate Stalwart Arthur for vice president. The ticket won the election.

Charles Gaiteau, who professed himself as “Stalwart of the Stalwarts” shot Garfield — who had been president for four months. Garfield died 2½ months later and Arthur was president. Arthur made it his mission to carry out Garfield’s crusade for civil service reform, much to the surprise/dismay of the Stalwarts. Who knew the Collector of the Port of New York would go on to eventually be known as “The Father of Civil Service Reform”?

Even cynical jokester Mark Twain admitted, "It would be hard indeed to better President Arthur's administration."

Point being, Arthur’s got a few tricks up his sleeve. You might think Arthur hasn’t a chance, but he’s surprised people before.

Another surprise: While he was in prep school, he reportedly got into a melee with a bunch of classmates who opposed Sen. Henry Clay. A bunch of kids got into a fight over politics. Kind of a surprise, right? Well, Arthur was involved, which means he's willing to get involved in scraps.

Muttonchops — I understand fashion was different back then. Today, no one would grow muttonchops like that, unless they really wanted to make it clear to the world that they were an insufferable hipster.

They were more commonplace in Arthur’s time, but it’s not like everyone rocked them. I’d have to say they’re a bold statement. Judging on a picture taken when he was about 30, he had them for most of his adult life.

I come from the school of thought that, while people are generally good, there are a lot of needlessly cruel dickheads running around. I’m sure Arthur caught shit for sporting those chops for decades. This either made him tough, or he killed the first guy to give him lip as a lesson to anyone else.

CONS: Mr. Fancy Pants — He was nicknamed “Elegant Arthur” because of his commitment to being fashionable. He reportedly owned 80 pairs of pants, and he change into several pairs in a single day. I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that it was NOT because of some issues regarding control of his bodily functions.

His first order of business as president was to redecorate the entire White House. Very "either these curtains go or I do," years before Oscar Wilde. Only, that turned out not be a very good idea because he ended getting rid of priceless antiques that had been in the White House since John Adams' days.

Others called him “The Gentleman Boss,” because of his kind and courteous nature.

I’m saying none of this adds up to someone who is well-versed in hand-to-hand combat.
I was going to compare it to peacocks fighting, but this is pretty bad ass.
Bright’s Disease — Arthur suffered from a fatal kidney disease for most of his presidency. It is unclear when he contracted the disease, but it was clear that he was not well. As a result, he didn’t aggressively campaign for re-election in 1884. His body just couldn’t do it. Also, he was sure that it wasn’t very likely that he would live to serve out his term. He died in 1886.

Arthur would have more of a chance had he been operating at capacity, but the sick Gentleman Boss would be entering the ring already close to death.

The Fight:
Tony: So, what you're saying is, we've got a fight between an ornery, intimidating Texan, and a courteous New Yorker with sweet facial hair. I don't want to disparage the fine citizens of New York State, but... come on. Johnson isn't going to need carte blanche from Congress to roll over Arthur like he's Barry Goldwater in 1964. The question is: will Johnson know Arthur's weak spots? I mean, most peoples kidneys are weak spots, but Arthur's kidney's literally killed the man. Johnson slips behind him and lands a few good punches, and this fight is over in seconds.

Doug: Johnson may be an ornery Texan, but he doesn't exactly have a clean bill of health either. Like you said, he lived hard and his heart was paying the price. Part of the reason why he didn't seek re-election in 1968 is because the presidency, and all of the troubles that came with it, was killing him. He feared he wouldn't survive to see the end of another four-year term, and he most likely wouldn't have. As is, he died two days after the end of Nixon's first term, and that was after four years of not being president.
Though, looking back on it, are we sure secret Hippieism didn't have something to do with it?
Tony: So I think we can safely call the health issue a wash then, right? I mean, at least Johnson had the good sense to stop smoking until after he left the White House, but you're right, he wasn't a well man. But, hey! Neither was Arthur. So, we should probably direct our focus elsewhere.
Let's see who gets this joke.
What it really comes down to is, do we have any evidence to support Arthur as a viable fighter? I can't really see it. He's a bit too much of a dandy. He and LBJ are gonna scrap, and Arthur's pants are going to incur some form of injury, and Arthur is going to sink into despair. And after that, he's going to sink into his GRAVE.

Doug: You're saying that the guy who was awarded a Silver Star for turning around in the face mechanical problems is the fighter here? I don't know. LBJ is intimidating, I'm not questioning that. Arthur doesn't seem to be easily intimidated. He spent his presidency pissing off his own faction of the party doing what he thought was right. Did he bow down to party leaders? No. Arthur doesn't get intimidated, he gets the Pendelton Civil Service Reform Act. No, that's not a very sexy cause, but probably better for our country than sending our kids to fight a land war in Asia — which is a slightly more well-known don't than "never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line." (Unfortunately, neither of these two are Sicilian, so figuring out the winner wouldn't be that easy.)

I don't really see Arthur liking LBJ's tactic of "I'm going to intimidate this guy and get what I want." I bet the Gentleman Boss wouldn't see this as very gentlemanly. However, since being a gentlemen won't get him very far, Arthur will just have to imagine Johnson as those Henry Clay-hating rapscallions from prep school. Once again, Arthur will surprise everyone.

Tony: Well, I think the guy who turned Vietnam from a police action into a freaking WAR is the fighter here, yes. Leaving aside the wisdom of such a move, Johnson is clearly no stranger to belligerency. And oh, wait, you're crediting Arthur with pissing off his own party? Johnson was brought into the ticket with JFK to placate southern conservative Democrats. Then he passed the Civil Rights Act. How d'you think that went over with those southern conservative Democrats?
The more I hear about Arthur, the more I realize that he reminds me of an American President version of Bertie Wooster. LBJ would mop the floor with Bertie Wooster. By the transitive property of floor mopping, Arthur's going to be toast faster than you can say "What ho?"
Sadly, Arthur won't have Jeeves to solve things for him.
Doug: LBJ isn't the fighter. It's not like he fought the war. No, he drafted soldiers into the war. Sending other people's kids to fight his war doesn't make him a fighter. It kind of makes him a dick.

So, what have we got? We have two presidents of failing health who won't be intimidated and who won't doesn't care about pissing off their respective parties. When you boil it down, things are kind of even. This is what I mean by saying Arthur is surprising. Who knew that former Collector of the Port of New York would become president and do away with the spoils system?

In addition to Gentleman Boss and Elegant Arthur, I'm going to give him a new nickname: Sir Surprising.

The Chief: *sigh* Yes, that's an excellent nickname.
Anyway, as always, polls close Friday 9am Mountain Time. We wish all of our readers a happy & safe Fourth of July and we urge everyone: if you're going to blow some fingers off due to some firework mishap, please do it with the hand you don't vote with.

Johnson vs. Arthur